Culture, Christ, And The Curry Sandwich

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00:00:15: This the place where we chat all things life culture and faith in Jesus.

00:00:19: Welcome to Spill The Chai

00:00:28: That's really cold!

00:00:57: The Norgevallan podcast..the idea or heart behind It has been kind of take our conversations that we're always having and just film them.

00:01:07: Yeah, I guess have some of these conversations like We would've wanted to have as kids right?

00:01:12: or yes it wouldn't been beneficial to hear from And To Like Have people talk about experiences That you had growing up.

00:01:19: they are like oh i thought was the only one that felt that way.

00:01:22: but You figure out this Millions of us that felt exactly mate?

00:01:25: It's comforting.

00:01:27: But and that Was Always The Mission Of Nordgevallon was creating that kind of Space.

00:01:31: yeah a space too.

00:01:32: Inspire, develop and equip young South Asians in their Christian walk.

00:01:37: Yeah I grew up in Harrow And then like lived in Bolton for a while.

00:01:42: So both again very Asian hubs Loads of Asians live there.

00:01:47: You knew everyone.

00:01:48: Everyone knew you Like our family was quite big In the temple as well.

00:01:53: We went Very regularly

00:01:55: Every day right?

00:01:56: My grandma is like She's A Big Name in The Temple And kind of everyone knows her.

00:02:04: and so like grew up in this strange mixture of cultures, Like a third culture anyway.

00:02:11: My dad was first generation immigrant from Kenya and then my mom second gen, my grandma came from India but my grandmother lived with my grandma for awhile.

00:02:22: So you know had the plastic on their remotes.

00:02:25: Who didn't?

00:02:26: You knew it well

00:02:28: by kids.

00:02:30: That's your authentication.

00:02:31: Yeah, that's how you know

00:02:32: for being salvaged.

00:02:33: and what is third?

00:02:36: So you're sort of explaining it.

00:02:36: but What Is This Third Culture Kid type thing?

00:02:39: yeah

00:02:41: It's this weird.

00:02:42: like I was Indian very about Very Very Indian at home And then went to school with Like I went to a very multicultural school.

00:02:51: So like kids are mostly Asian, but like very, very multicultural at very Eastern European School and so had just this experience of trying to be British kid in the British world with British values And your parents raise you to fit-in right?

00:03:06: They're fitting with schoolkids here But also then go home and eat dal.

00:03:12: This isn't fitting in mum

00:03:17: A culture at home, there's a cultural school.

00:03:19: Yeah!

00:03:19: But you're somewhere in between those worlds.

00:03:21: so your this third...

00:03:23: ...culture.

00:03:23: And I was fine being Asian when iIwas with my family and it was okay but the second I wasn't.

00:03:29: It was just like gross discomfort Actually for really ashamed of it.

00:03:33: When I think about now as an adult that Like.. I love being Asian.

00:03:37: It is big part who am but growing up if could be anything but

00:03:42: You would have wanted to distance yourself.

00:03:44: As

00:03:44: far as I can.

00:03:45: That's an interesting experience for me when I hear you talk about that because of the, like... You were in a very South Asian location and you had large amount of South Asian friends.

00:03:57: And yet still as someone in that third culture, you are wanting to distance yourself from the culture.

00:04:03: so it is- Like form identity perspective?

00:04:05: It's quite confusing

00:04:06: Yeah!

00:04:06: For a child as well..you're like…I don't know.

00:04:09: Did he ever have culture day at school?

00:04:12: No

00:04:12: Oh my gosh.

00:04:14: Hated it.

00:04:15: Where do

00:04:16: What was culture doing?

00:04:17: You

00:04:17: could like come in and your cultural clothes, one day a week.

00:04:20: Oh I see so you had to

00:04:20: wear like a sorry...

00:04:22: Mum put me on the union jack shirt please!

00:04:26: I just can't do it now.

00:04:28: i'm like wouldn't be caught dead.

00:04:29: That's so

00:04:30: strange because no-one else would have been..

00:04:33: No all of the dinner ladies at my school were Asian.

00:04:36: most teachers were asian.

00:04:37: Most of friends are asian.

00:04:39: Explain

00:04:39: why the distance against being embracing your cultural heritage identity story.

00:04:48: I think it's embarrassing, like I felt embarrassed that my family was so quote unquote.

00:04:54: fresh right?

00:04:54: Like we were very Asian.

00:04:57: eight curry every day for dinner didn't really eat other things.

00:05:02: My mum sent me to school with a curry sandwich everyday.

00:05:08: Fabulous.

00:05:09: Love the curry sandwich

00:05:10: Moist.

00:05:12: I don't think about what she ever had a curry sandwich.

00:05:15: Sorry, I'm not like ticking the Asian bot to my- You haven't

00:05:17: lived?

00:05:18: No Just whatever curry.

00:05:19: she made dinner before.

00:05:21: Slap between two pieces of bread and just have

00:05:23: it at lunch.

00:05:24: And how did that make you feel

00:05:25: Oh my gosh everyone can smell me.

00:05:28: It was awful!

00:05:30: So desperate for her tea sandwich Every day.

00:05:32: i'd be like mum.

00:05:33: maybe this is today.

00:05:34: Maybe this is the day.

00:05:35: It's never The Day.

00:05:36: Yeah Never Was.

00:05:38: And did that?

00:05:39: those sorts of experiences they added to the like, I just wanted want to remove myself from the cultural

00:05:46: world.

00:05:46: Also what i was seeing on TV as a kid wasn't

00:05:51: you weren't represented

00:05:52: Asians right?

00:05:53: Yeah yeah.

00:05:54: The girl who always got the boy in the tv shows Was the tall pretty white blonde girl and when Hannah Montana came out I was like, this is my moment.

00:06:08: This is what i'm going to do!

00:06:10: I am gonna become Hannah Montana and put on a body.

00:06:12: I wish

00:06:12: we had a photo that you could insert now of your ten year old you...

00:06:16: I remember there's one in Clairs' and it was so desperate for me to buy it for him.

00:06:22: It was like fourteen pounds.

00:06:23: he said no But I wanted to be blonde because if i'm blond, I'll get the boy.

00:06:30: This is what we're seeing on TV and it was also kind of a trajectory like our school.

00:06:35: The blonde kids were popular ones or they are tall, pretty.

00:06:38: you know fair kids

00:06:41: but its interesting isn't?

00:06:42: Because over time that representation particularly South Asian community in UK has changed massively In the last couple decades.

00:06:50: For me It's watching things like Goodness Gracious Me On BBC If people haven't seen it, you know was that show really of South Asian actors British Actors taking the mick out of south asian culture.

00:07:04: Yeah And I would have this memory of going into school having watched The first episode or two at home and i can.

00:07:14: i think i was sort Of late secondary school At the time I vaguely remember thinking, oh gosh.

00:07:19: I wonder how that's going to go down with everyone?

00:07:22: And i went in and people were kind of laughing about it but in a really... With me kind-of way Yeah!

00:07:28: In a wholesome way Not

00:07:29: like they're laughing

00:07:30: at you.

00:07:30: That was really fun.

00:07:31: yeah It wasn't..Yeah I don't think....I don't know if I was particularly nervous About that But it just interesting.

00:07:36: I remember People being celebratory Of the piece of art or show comedy.

00:07:45: There is nothing really like that before.

00:07:48: it wasn't taking itself too seriously, particularly those first early seasons were.

00:07:52: we're really interesting.

00:07:53: It started to shift for sure.

00:07:54: I remember in year six there was this YouTuber and his name is Humza and he used a diary of the bad

00:08:02: man

00:08:03: who's released these videos what it looked like to be an Asian kid in a strict asian household.

00:08:08: second Pakistani boy.

00:08:09: And i remembered doing the rap battles about Roddy and his mum in the playground with my friends who weren't Asian.

00:08:17: I actually do know all of words, but that became really popular towards end-of-my primary school era.

00:08:31: But like i just remembered not wanting to be asian the, like individuality of Diwali and did enjoy sometimes those things.

00:08:44: I remember our year four or five.

00:08:47: we did this dance show at school And it was only Asian girls.

00:08:51: We did a to J-Ho first day.

00:08:53: why would you pick that song?

00:08:55: It's

00:08:55: the worst one!

00:08:57: Somewhere in the pussycats

00:08:58: dolls Of all people.

00:08:59: You could have picked a proper Bollywood song But i just remembered feeling really self conscious because dancing an Indian song, but also being like this is really cool.

00:09:10: Like I really liked it.

00:09:11: so i think i was just constantly confused as a child and unsure kind of where i stood And definitely didn't want to seem the most Asian kid in the class.

00:09:20: So would actively pick on The most Asian kid in the class.

00:09:24: I was like a deflecting, Like...I've got to deflect my asianness onto this kid.

00:09:30: There's like hierarchy on your mind.

00:09:31: Wherever you are Sai..I'm so sorry It was awful!

00:09:35: I mean we used call him Curry Boy quite literally because his shirts-

00:09:38: Even though you're the one with the curry sandwiches

00:09:41: So awful.

00:09:43: Yeah We use called him Curry boy cause his shirts were slightly Tumor extend

00:09:50: tinge.

00:09:50: Yeah, just tinged.

00:09:51: we used to be like he gets his shirts and curry And inside I was like no one.

00:09:57: look at my lunch.

00:10:02: So as times changed and the sort of view of South Asians has maybe improved in your view would you say?

00:10:10: Or like it's become, there has been more representation in music.

00:10:14: Like I think about a lot of the writers and musicians Yes The artists There is alot more that sound

00:10:20: Yeah

00:10:21: And kind of representation In movies, shows

00:10:26: Season two of Bridgerton.

00:10:29: Right And no Bridgetown hazards things.

00:10:30: Okay Aside from them I watched only for season two Because they were like Have you seen it?

00:10:35: It got female Asian lead.

00:10:37: No!

00:10:40: this, it was magnificent.

00:10:41: I had a bridged and birthday after it because...

00:10:44: It's because you felt seen?

00:10:45: Well

00:10:46: i felt so seen right like she was strong and powerful and beautiful and stayed within her culture.

00:10:53: She wore the dresses And she valued her parents education and loved her family but..she was beautiful!

00:11:02: And she got The Guy

00:11:08: And it wasn't playing some cultural cliche or stereotype.

00:11:11: No, no!

00:11:11: It was amazing and I remember watching him being like... Shonda you wrote this so well.

00:11:16: good job Well done.

00:11:17: So that change then is something happening in the wider culture?

00:11:22: Yeah

00:11:24: When do think of from a Christian perspective Do You Think That Makes It Easier To Embrace Being Kind Of A South Asian Christian?

00:11:31: Or Is Just Another Danger?

00:11:34: I won't lie i think just an added confusion.

00:11:37: Well, it definitely has for me.

00:11:39: Like working out what that looks like when I came to uni was one of the only Asians there who is a Christian and now am not in place with those loads of Asians.

00:11:52: so i have Asian identity, but also what does it look like to be a Christian?

00:11:59: It doesn't look like do I just have to become Western in order To Be A Christian.

00:12:02: Yeah And i love that.

00:12:04: That's part of where Nord Van came into my story.

00:12:05: Like I didn't know you could Love Jesus and You Could Be asian Culturally and I loved that.

00:12:12: I discovered through Nord van that you could Do both really Really beautifully.

00:12:15: um and I think I'm still on the journey Of like discovering What that looks like.

00:12:19: yeah Um

00:12:20: I mean maybe we all are culturally because I think when you grow up in the third culture space like we're talking about, You are wrestling with some of those identities all the time.

00:12:30: But i mean... Yeah.. I'm still doing that In ways that surprise me because I feel very Western and a lot of ways.

00:12:38: And yet there were ideas & concepts.

00:12:41: Culture is much more than just language or food isn't it?

00:12:43: It's kind of mindset The

00:12:45: values you hold.

00:12:46: right That's

00:12:46: right And we can almost spend our whole lives fighting that, trying not to be the person God made us to be.

00:12:54: I guess what we've talked a lot about is this idea of identity... What's the primary lens in life?

00:13:03: Is it our Britishness or South Asian-ness?

00:13:09: Or is it language and food or customs or traditions...?

00:13:14: Or is it Jesus?

00:13:16: Is he the thing that's at the front and then everything else has filtered through him.

00:13:19: And as believers, that's got to be case you know... The verse we've talked a bit about in Galatians two twenty It's no longer I who live but Christ Who lives of me and the life i now live by faith In the Son Of God.

00:13:31: He loved Me and gave Himself for Me.

00:13:32: So this idea That my identity isn't Sanjay just in his cultural setting, but my identity is now Jesus.

00:13:42: And I live my life through him by the power of His

00:13:44: Spirit.".

00:13:45: Thank goodness right?

00:13:45: In a world that's so confusing and like has all these kind-of different... You're this you'll this your this!

00:13:51: Like what good news that.. That it

00:13:53: true?!

00:13:54: That is the....I guess without there we are just kind of adrift

00:13:58: aren't

00:13:58: we?

00:13:58: Yeah I

00:13:59: think i feel like I have felt like that most of my life.

00:14:01: Like unsure where I fit.

00:14:03: Unsure were go until Until the day someone told me that I just will never be good enough, right?

00:14:09: And

00:14:10: That is like...I'll Never Be Good Enough As An Asian.

00:14:13: I'LL NEVER BE GOOD ENOUGH AS A DAUGHTER, AS A WIFE, AS a FRIEND, as a student and in all those different cultures but also..

00:14:21: What do you mean?

00:14:21: never good enough?

00:14:22: Well i'll never live up to this standard or expectation of what it looks Like To be The perfect version Of THAT PERSON Right?

00:14:31: I'm not a doctor

00:14:35: I failed Asian.

00:14:37: Yeah,

00:14:38: I didn't marry an asian man and i'm like...I don't know what to tell you.. I didn' do any of the things that should have done as a asian girl right?

00:14:46: And As The Eldest not only in my family but my eldest grandchild often feel like I've let this side down

00:14:58: because cultural expectations put pressure on.

00:15:01: yeah every culture has their own way And to realize that we can't meet those needs.

00:15:07: So when you say not good enough, You don't mean in terms of value or worth...

00:15:10: No!

00:15:11: But just like I'll never measure up and iIll Never be Good Enough To

00:15:19: Achieve Those Things In An Obvious.

00:15:23: Maybe someone listening this has hit all the markers.

00:15:27: let's Just Say They've Achieved In Their Career their Education financially, they don't really well.

00:15:35: Married the right person got a brilliant family like great.

00:15:38: you know all of that.

00:15:38: we're not saying that is not good.

00:15:41: I guess The thing maybe where pulling on this as it's the moral aspect too.

00:15:46: You know are we morally ever going to be good enough?

00:15:49: Yeah And if were'nt morally good enough ie Were not perfect.

00:15:53: then how can We really no security in our identity?

00:15:57: How could we sure?

00:15:59: What would you say to someone who says, well I've got all these things.

00:16:02: You know?

00:16:12: I often think about this, like my parents split up when I was ten.

00:16:17: And if only mom and dad were in both of them together we'd had a nuclear family.

00:16:23: here's how life would have looked right?

00:16:25: And all the holidays that you've gone on maybe things to study places where there are two things done then i just feel this weight.

00:16:42: friends of mine, who had all those things.

00:16:47: Like just given to them.

00:16:48: that was the cards they would have

00:16:50: their parents in a life wonderful marriage even wonderful Christian parents right?

00:16:54: Okay Even had that kind of element about the faith element of it and yet are still discontent with what God has given them And discontented because there's worth and value is put into like things They can achieve how people see them.

00:17:10: I'm not saying in any way perfect to this, right?

00:17:14: But I realized I didn't need to have all these things laid like you know... In a row.

00:17:21: In order be where God had put me and who God made me to be

00:17:27: And that you were loved.

00:17:28: You know verse we talked about He loves us he gave himself for us.

00:17:35: The essence of the Christian faith is even if your not good enough which none of us actually are, that Jesus is and he gives himself for us so we might know him.

00:17:48: And He may live through

00:17:49: us.".

00:17:50: I mean it speaks a whole volume to someone from South Asia but your background who hasn't grown up in the Christian story where you were probably told... From a philosophical point-of view or religious point of view.

00:18:06: do these things You know, stack up these good deeds so that you can be good enough and the Christian message is to complete opposite.

00:18:33: like so freeing to know that I did the things by God's grace, he called me and asked me to do you.

00:18:46: But then just...I'll never meet the mark with other people and with

00:18:50: God.".

00:18:50: And it is like….

00:18:51: Yeah!

00:18:53: The thing we are talking about is important because its' about who You Are isn't It?

00:18:56: Its not just about the things That You Can Do Because anyone can be gifted and do lots of impressive things on the outside but Who You Are at the core?

00:19:03: your identity God speaks to, that's what the cross speaks to.

00:19:09: That we are now a new creation not just kind of bandaged up from an old person sort of trying to become better but completely new person.

00:19:19: and when we think about identity in culture like... We've often thought about What that means?

00:19:24: In terms of living the Christian life.

00:19:26: because what we're not saying is oh I'm not good enough.

00:19:29: you know Jesus saved me And that's it.

00:19:31: yeah no Because he saves us for him and with him in partnership with him.

00:19:38: And when you think about the kind of green flags or red flags, I suppose, being a South Asian Christian what would say are some of the green flags to you experiencing south asian culture?

00:19:52: The christian faith both active not hiding from them but embracing them?

00:19:58: is there benefit into that experience?

00:20:00: For sure

00:20:01: like growing up house was always open and people could come in.

00:20:07: And my mum is a feeder by nature, um so if you know anything about me I am like my mother.

00:20:13: i'm a feeder.

00:20:14: You will come to my house and I will feed you and I'll send your home with food.

00:20:17: It's just part of our DNA and our culture.

00:20:20: it's to make people feel welcome and loved...I think that how Jesus did it!

00:20:25: He rises from the grave he finds his friends they go back fishing because what the heck do we now?

00:20:31: Saviour dead right?

00:20:35: And he calls them over and they make some breakfast.

00:20:38: I'm like, this is the savior of the world!

00:20:41: This man just died for all our sins and he's cooking fish.

00:20:46: what does it teach you?

00:20:48: yeah i mean hospitality as a value within Asian culture.

00:20:51: its huge isn't it?

00:20:52: and it marries brilliantly with the Christian ethic to be hospitable to be generous.

00:20:59: And hospitality isn't just, it's not like having an IKEA perfect house...

00:21:03: My house is never IKEA!

00:21:06: It's a generosity of heart and open-handedness towards other people which actually South Asian culture incredibly powerful.

00:21:17: sometimes I think about the way that relationships are held in high esteem you know?

00:21:22: The value kind of not just two individuals doing their own thing, but to whole communities coming together.

00:21:29: And that community aspect is a. there's a green flag in that.

00:21:32: yeah for sure because we don't live this individual I mean In the West.

00:21:37: it's an and you know i'm speaking as or has a total product of this.

00:21:40: But It's individualistic lifestyle its kind of You do you?

00:21:44: in your own little corner and have your own world and Not really worry about the rest The World.

00:21:49: whereas a more South Asian mindset Is very collectivist what I do affects the group, and the group effects me.

00:21:57: And that again...I think when we read through The New Testament especially.

00:22:02: obviously it was written in a culture at time like that but i think there are values baked into.

00:22:07: that makes sense for God wants particularly his church to engage one another.

00:22:11: Like you're not meant be as solo Christian out doing your own thing individually.

00:22:16: You mean being the fellowship of believers.

00:22:19: How beautiful is this?

00:22:20: Especially from maybe a family that doesn't know Jesus.

00:22:24: And like, there's a lot of loss and sadness and grief for sure.

00:22:28: to then have family tenfold right in relationships has been really healing for me For sure on Has given me joy to love my family.

00:22:38: well when they don't believe the same things I do because

00:22:40: you gain.

00:22:41: Yeah even though There is A Lot Of Loss In Following Jesus We've Got To Be Real About That.

00:22:45: Following Jesus Isn'T Always going to be easy.

00:22:51: In fact, it's never easy and whilst is the best decision anyone else can make there's gonna be cost in that And real Christianity should feel like that.

00:23:03: and yet There was so much gain I think in this life and in the next.

00:23:09: but you know Jesus Is challenged?

00:23:12: iIwas just reading recently in Mark.

00:23:15: You Know jesus has challenged.

00:23:17: when The rich person says what do I need to do?

00:23:22: and Jesus challenges him.

00:23:23: And one of the things that ends up in that exchange is he turns to his disciples, how hard it is for a rich person to enter heaven?

00:23:29: His disciples are thinking hang on... The rich people are like the elite people.

00:23:34: if they don't get in!

00:23:35: How did we

00:23:35: gain?!

00:23:36: They're saying this is such a hard teaching and jesus as well.

00:23:39: with man This Is Impossible.

00:23:40: With God All Things Are Possible and they question Him more than ever.

00:23:45: Peter Starr stands up and says Well We Left Everything To Follow You And Jesus says to him, you'll receive a hundred times this in this life and the next.

00:23:55: This kind of idea of loss is very real part isn't it?

00:23:59: for South Asian person following Jesus?

00:24:01: I mean... ...and yet gain in community believers In the generosity of church family.

00:24:08: If someone's come-to-faith from that background then as part of a Church Family That doesn't embrace them as family Just sort of holds them off.

00:24:19: Not inviting me into the home or not having meals together, and not sitting together in a real way.

00:24:25: That's really sad and difficult for that believer who is probably very isolated.

00:24:31: I think at week one when i arrived here...I maybe had seventeen offers for dinner And was like oh my gosh!

00:24:36: I can't eat that much food!

00:24:39: Since being part of House of the Last Eight Years Long time.

00:24:44: Yeah, and we don't do it perfectly you know We must fail all the time.

00:24:48: I think The goal for all of us as believers is to try And be family together.

00:24:52: But there's this huge aspiration up here which yes You know?

00:24:55: We're not always gonna Be perfect in.

00:24:56: but i think It's a good reminder yeah that As believers were dealing with All kinds Of people who are counting the cost of following Jesus as he told Us To Suffering For his name Which Is normal Christianity.

00:25:11: There'S Not like some Anomaly to be people who suffer for his name and still say he's worth it, yeah.

00:25:19: And still follow him.

00:25:21: I mean that something glorious isn't there?

00:25:24: Whenever we have like South Asian kids come to our youth clubs We're sharing the gossip with them.

00:25:29: i'm always talking to my leaders Like just know that the cost of this kid is great.

00:25:33: Yeah For a Western kid Who comes from maybe an atheist home or kind of agnostic.

00:25:41: I mean, i'm not saying it's not difficult but the cost is different.

00:25:44: Whereas for a South Asian kid who comes from a Sikh Muslim Hindi background like they're counting the costs of their family and their culture and their home And everything that they've ever known which is why ministry has to be For The Whole Family Not Just For The Kid Like...I've got get-to-know-the mom..and I gotta go get to know dad ..And I've Gotta Get Invited To Their Kids Birthday Party And Have To Go To That Meal At Their House Because It'S Like You're you're sharing Jesus with their family.

00:26:09: because the cost for that kid is great.

00:26:11: And it definitely was for me, right?

00:26:13: But-

00:26:13: and that's slow work!

00:26:15: That's not immediate results

00:26:17: isn't

00:26:17: it?!

00:26:18: It's a like...it's not?

00:26:19: they come to a club and hear a gospel talk and have been having conversations with our leaders and its' great.

00:26:25: They are kind of ready.

00:26:27: Those were amazing.

00:26:28: I'm so grateful for them but You've got your long obedience in the same direction, faithfulness.

00:26:37: Just keep chipping away...

00:26:40: I mean like just maybe as we wrap up.

00:26:43: i wanted to ask you about because we've done- You have led this amazing week here.

00:26:49: Tell us about that!

00:26:50: Because it's all day and day out.

00:26:53: but what was your week with teens?

00:26:57: We had kind of like a week-long camp with loads of crazy nerf wars and...

00:27:04: Inflatables, I'd say.

00:27:05: Yeah lots of inflatables and fun giant banquet

00:27:09: And about hundred teenagers from the local area came through the week?

00:27:14: It was amazing!

00:27:14: Every day they got to hear A different part of their gospel.

00:27:18: You know we started with an intro To The Person Of Christ Like who is this Jesus?

00:27:24: We talked about need and how we all have a need in our lives, that we fill with other things.

00:27:30: And really the only person who can treat me on needs is Jesus.

00:27:34: but there's this problem of sin That separates us from my relationship.

00:27:38: I used to hate the sin talk because i hated telling kids they were sinners But has quickly become my favourite talk Because you've given reason for kids pain.

00:27:48: You have said

00:27:48: there's a reason

00:27:50: mum and dad are fighting.

00:27:51: There is the reason you've lost this relative, there is a reason schools hard...there is a reasons that you just compare yourself with

00:27:59: others because it's not what they should be but it's like

00:28:02: sin and mess.

00:28:03: I remember hearing about sin for first time And being like oh everything makes sense now.

00:28:10: It wasn't my fault right?

00:28:11: Like these things happened to me They weren't my faults But I'm also a contributor to sin, right?

00:28:18: And then you tell them about the cross and that Jesus went from literally heaven-to-earth.

00:28:26: To die for You so that You could be in relationship with

00:28:29: God.".

00:28:31: Then we get to talk about His resurrection power.

00:28:32: He didn't stay dead.

00:28:34: We have this gift of eternal life...and we had eighteen kids.

00:28:37: give their lives to Jesus That we know of.

00:28:38: Come on!

00:28:43: Amazing!

00:28:44: It was

00:28:44: incredible, but for a lot of those kids like I said the cost to following Jesus is great.

00:28:49: Yeah and i think just love that model in our picture because our desire it's tell the next generation an emerging generation about who jesus is what he has done now lives And make that relevant To the third culture kid especially Who feels they don't fit into any space.

00:29:06: yet with Jesus They have hope meaning and place Young life doing.

00:29:11: we want do As Nortjavan, we want to see God at work amongst a younger people who otherwise are going be caught up in all of that cultural confusion.

00:29:25: Family confusion.

00:29:26: things don't bring hope in the end and I guess you know... All this is trying create space for that isn't

00:29:37: it?

00:29:37: Hi!

00:29:38: No, what was

00:29:39: it?

00:29:39: Just your

00:29:40: name.